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Automated trading is no longer just for the rich or nerdy. Our revolutionary software uses your trading rules, but none of your emotions. There's just one requirement - you know how to use a mouse.
  

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Prices

Note that these prices are for when using TS for personal use only! If you want to use TS to trade for other people, please contact us for the commercial prices. We appreciate your integrity.

Here are some things you should read before buying:

Remember - this software is designed to trade with your real money using the rules you have specified. This is one piece of software that you should take the time to learn intimately. The end result though - the freedom it will give you - is priceless.

All prices below are US Dollars. Should your subscription expire, the software will simply revert to its Trial-Version mode.


Monthly Subscriptions

Subscription Price Purchase
Backtesting 1 Month $20 Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!
Alerts 1 Month $20 Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!
Auto-Trading 1 Month $30 Make payments with PayPal - it's fast, free and secure!

 

Australian Residents

The Thinking Stuff software is officially owned by Thinking Stuff Pty Ltd As Trustee For The Thinking Stuff Trust. That entity has the ABN 49 119 088 702.

The prices above are inclusive of GST, with the GST amounts being $1.82 for the $20 subscriptions, and $2.73 for the $30 subscriptions.

If you would like a Tax Invoice, please contact us and we will forward you one through email in PDF format.

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Refund Policy
Before you pay any money, you should first completely satisfy yourself that Thinking Stuff:
  • Installs on your computer; and
  • Runs on your computer; and
  • You can set up the things you want to set up (see the Getting Started page); and
  • You backtested using the very old historical price data, and were happy with the type of results that were given, and the format that the results were given in.
With all that done, go ahead and subscribe.

But with all that done, what reason would there be to ask for a refund? That's the whole point of having a "trial version" mode - so you can become familiar with the software before paying any money. Therefore, except in exceptional circumstances, and except in cases of extreme malfunction, there are no refunds.

We're happy to read through rebuttles to our argument. Please use the Contact Us page.
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Other Details

After Payment

Once you have completed the payment, we will be informed of the payment, and we'll know the email address of the person that made the payment, but the information that we need to set you up is your hard-drive details. Please read the "How Does Verification Work?" article to read why.

So, after payment, please send us an email using the same email address you used to make the payment, and provide us with your hard-drive model and serial number.

There are two places within TS that make it easy to get those hard-drive details. The first is the Login window. This is the window that appears when you first start Thinking Stuff.

The second is the About window, which appears when you click "Admin..." > "Hard-drive make and model", and also when you click "Help..." > "About Thinking Stuff".

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Copy and paste both the hard-drive model and serial number into an email, send it to us, and we'll have you set up as soon as we can.

Here's looking forward to a long and prosperous partnership!


Auto-Trading with Gain Capital

Auto-Trading works in Gain Capital Demo accounts, but not Gain Capital Live accounts. Please read the Gain Capital Quirks page to see the reasoning behind this.

Gain Capital does not charge for use of their API.


Auto-Trading with Oanda

Auto-Trading works in both Oanda Demo and Live accounts.

Oanda is regarded by many has having the best and most stable API, but they do charge a fee to use it. You have to purchase it from them (i.e. it has nothing to do with us). You can read more about it at their API page.

Ask the Oanda people for the Visual Studio 2003 version of their API.


If you don't subscribe...

To download and install the Thinking Stuff software is completely free. There is a Trial Version mode the software will run in, which is free to use for as long as you like. However, certain features will be crippled until you subscribe.

There is some other software required before this software will run on your computer, namely PostgreSQL and the Windows .NET Framework v2.0. Both of these are free also. Please go to the "Installation Requirements" section of the Download page for further information.


With Thinking Stuff, downloading real-time currency data is free.

To be precise, a combination of a Gain Capital demo account and Thinking Stuff will allow you to download real-time tick data for free. Setting up your Gain Capital demo account is free (well, maybe some faxes to send off), and the Data Download part of Thinking Stuff is not crippled in any way.


What's Crippled In The Trial-Version Mode?

The basic theory is that you'll be able to set everything up, you'll be able to click all the buttons, but the actual doing of the task will not be done.

This will let you get everything set up, with or without our support, before you need to pay any money.

Specifically, here's what happens when you are not subscribed:

  • Backtesting - when you try to backtest, the software will ignore the dates you want to backtest over, and will instead test over a set period from a time well in the past. It's real prices being used, but due to how old the data is, the usefulness of the results are debatable.

    Further, the currency you want to backtest will also be ignored. Instead, only EURUSD prices will be used. Please note that because EURUSD has 4 decimal places, if you were trying to backtest something like USDJPY which has just 2 decimal places, you might get some strange results.

    To summarise, regardless of the dates or currency you wanted to backtest, the actual prices used are EURUSD from a time well in the past.
  • Automatic Trading - all buttons and windows work exactly as if you were subscribed. The only difference is that the Automatic Trading is not done (which I guess is a pretty big difference).
  • Alerts - everything but the actual Alerts being sent will work just fine.


The "Trial Version" mode is simply how the software behaves if you are not subscribed to anything.


You may subscribe to any combination of modules.

None rely on the other. For example, you can subscribe to both Backtesting and Alerts, or just Alerts, or just Backtesting.


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